i think that's a reality that's going to start donning on people down the road. that the essential craziness of the costs that we have to spend that sometimes are irrational was not really truly confronted in attempting to do what i think is very admirable, expand access. >> eleanor, overall when you look at the enormity of this whole undertaking, is it just a matter of time before it's all cleared up? >> if you look back at the prescription drug plan, which took two years, really, to get going, if you look at the massachusetts romney care, they're saying that took a while to get going. medicare, medicaid, they've all been stumbles. i essentially think this is the beginning of a correct program. it would be nice to get the insurance companies out of the picture, but that didn't happen and it's not going to happen. so we can hope that increased competition, which is afterall the basis of a capitalistic society, will in the end work and drive those costs down. the congressional budget office has basically scored this bill saying it saves money over the long term. s